Comments on: Requesting the Attention of Aviators http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/ The experiences in Second Life of Ordinal Malaprop. Scripting, design, observations, notes. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:27:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: HeadBurro Antfarm http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-60955 HeadBurro Antfarm Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:39:21 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-60955 Excellent (and thank you in advance!). At least I didn't hear any curses ;-) Excellent (and thank you in advance!). At least I didn’t hear any curses ;-)

]]> By: Ordinal Malaprop http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-60365 Ordinal Malaprop Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:11:17 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-60365 It does require a rather long answer, but one that would perhaps be useful to have recorded for general use. I shall put together a quick page on the subject I think, with the basic principles. It does require a rather long answer, but one that would perhaps be useful to have recorded for general use. I shall put together a quick page on the subject I think, with the basic principles.

]]> By: HeadBurro Antfarm http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-59672 HeadBurro Antfarm Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:28:17 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-59672 Hello Ms Malaprop, A quick question that I hope you can answer - how do you make the wee movies you show on this site? The uploading to Vimo I can handle, but the actual recording of such things I've never attempted. Why do I feel that question requires a terribly long answer and you are cursing my name? :) Yours in Travel. And Film! HeadBurro Antfarm ********************* Hello Ms Malaprop,

A quick question that I hope you can answer - how do you make the wee movies you show on this site? The uploading to Vimo I can handle, but the actual recording of such things I’ve never attempted.

Why do I feel that question requires a terribly long answer and you are cursing my name? :)

Yours in Travel. And Film!
HeadBurro Antfarm
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]]> By: Ordinal Malaprop http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58574 Ordinal Malaprop Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:23:49 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58574 I further realise that I forgot to mention that it is, indeed, possible to muffle the noise of the engine. (Which also changes slightly when underwater - the Dragonfly Wings do operate there, but a little water gets into the pipes. Perfectly safe of course.) I further realise that I forgot to mention that it is, indeed, possible to muffle the noise of the engine. (Which also changes slightly when underwater - the Dragonfly Wings do operate there, but a little water gets into the pipes. Perfectly safe of course.)

]]> By: Ordinal Malaprop http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58373 Ordinal Malaprop Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:03:06 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58373 Oh, as a note, I shall probably release the thing without many extra options apart from those already mentioned, and then add new updated versions should I develop new features. Oh, as a note, I shall probably release the thing without many extra options apart from those already mentioned, and then add new updated versions should I develop new features.

]]> By: Ordinal Malaprop http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58371 Ordinal Malaprop Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:01:24 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58371 Mr Trenton, Mr Paderborn: that is an interesting extra feature that I can see being rather useful. I will see what I can do to add it. Ms Dimsum: the problem here is that LSL, unfortunately, provides only limited access to one's controls, limited to the movement directions and also clicks of the mouse. Would that such things were possible in this instance... that is one reason that the "double-tap" is used. In general the height-related assistance is interesting, but as said, only for vertical height, really. I have found, though, that there always seem to be instances where something that is usually handy becomes a complete pain. Mr Webb: odd that you should say that, as the wings originally did provide extra acceleration the longer that one held down the control. However, I removed this, as it was driving me mad - I found that I quite often wished to keep to a relatively low speed for long flights, say whilst following someone or touring the mainland, and it kept throwing me into places I had no interest in visiting. Differing levels of boost for different axes, though, might be something to play with. Mr Trenton, Mr Paderborn: that is an interesting extra feature that I can see being rather useful. I will see what I can do to add it.

Ms Dimsum: the problem here is that LSL, unfortunately, provides only limited access to one’s controls, limited to the movement directions and also clicks of the mouse. Would that such things were possible in this instance… that is one reason that the “double-tap” is used.

In general the height-related assistance is interesting, but as said, only for vertical height, really. I have found, though, that there always seem to be instances where something that is usually handy becomes a complete pain.

Mr Webb: odd that you should say that, as the wings originally did provide extra acceleration the longer that one held down the control. However, I removed this, as it was driving me mad - I found that I quite often wished to keep to a relatively low speed for long flights, say whilst following someone or touring the mainland, and it kept throwing me into places I had no interest in visiting. Differing levels of boost for different axes, though, might be something to play with.

]]> By: Dominic Webb http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58321 Dominic Webb Sun, 19 Aug 2007 04:33:04 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58321 Sort of in response to Mr. Paderborn.. I have used some flight-assist devices that had toggleable settings for either vertical and/or horizontal speed increase. This seems to work fairly well for me - I just leave the vertical speed-up on, and turn off the horizontal one, still giving me the accuracy I want when moving around at altitudes. Personally, I think the speed increase should be a function of how long you've pressed the keys in question - the longer you press in a particular direction, the more speed gain there should be. Of course I have yet to determine how feasible this mechanic is. :) Sort of in response to Mr. Paderborn.. I have used some flight-assist devices that had toggleable settings for either vertical and/or horizontal speed increase.

This seems to work fairly well for me - I just leave the vertical speed-up on, and turn off the horizontal one, still giving me the accuracy I want when moving around at altitudes. Personally, I think the speed increase should be a function of how long you’ve pressed the keys in question - the longer you press in a particular direction, the more speed gain there should be.

Of course I have yet to determine how feasible this mechanic is. :)

]]> By: Otenth Paderborn http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58266 Otenth Paderborn Sat, 18 Aug 2007 19:47:32 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58266 One of the flight assists I've tried does what CoyoteAngel has suggested--the higher you go, the faster the flight assist. I don't like that as an automatic thing, however. It's very nice to be able to get to the height I want as fast as possible. But then I often want as great (or greater) control over horizontal movement as I would at ground level. As to the names on the comments, on both of my visits I have found the "name" field already filled with the name of the previous commenter. (My email and website, however, are already in the other fields.) One of the flight assists I’ve tried does what CoyoteAngel has suggested–the higher you go, the faster the flight assist. I don’t like that as an automatic thing, however. It’s very nice to be able to get to the height I want as fast as possible. But then I often want as great (or greater) control over horizontal movement as I would at ground level.

As to the names on the comments, on both of my visits I have found the “name” field already filled with the name of the previous commenter. (My email and website, however, are already in the other fields.)

]]> By: CoyoteAngel Dimsum http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58224 CoyoteAngel Dimsum Sat, 18 Aug 2007 17:21:16 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58224 Perhaps a mechanism for automatically varying one's speed as a function of one's altitude would be useful? As with IRL flight enhancement devices, one's speed is lowest near the ground and increases as one ascends. You could provide a configuration mechanism that allowed the wearer to select from a variety of acceleration models, e.g. linear, logarithmic, etc. In addition, being able to move at walking speeds when within a specified distance of non-phantom objects, and indeed to have that occur without intervention, would be of great utility. So far as a mechanism for amplifying the effects of analog-style continuous controls, I might suggest the use of the SHIFT, CTL, & ALT keys in various combinations as a way to avoid the use of dialog boxes. I use this model for software when the user must navigate long lists, i.e. "Down Arrow" moves by line, SHIFT+DOWN-Arrow moves by page, etc. Along similar lines, you might provide for the pre-configuration of certain keys to allow nearly instantaneous vertical translations to a given height, e.g. CTL-SHIFT-F might take one as rapidly as possible to 512m. As always, I look forward to the release of your product with great enthusiasm. Perhaps a mechanism for automatically varying one’s speed as a function of one’s altitude would be useful? As with IRL flight enhancement devices, one’s speed is lowest near the ground and increases as one ascends. You could provide a configuration mechanism that allowed the wearer to select from a variety of acceleration models, e.g. linear, logarithmic, etc.

In addition, being able to move at walking speeds when within a specified distance of non-phantom objects, and indeed to have that occur without intervention, would be of great utility.

So far as a mechanism for amplifying the effects of analog-style continuous controls, I might suggest the use of the SHIFT, CTL, & ALT keys in various combinations as a way to avoid the use of dialog boxes. I use this model for software when the user must navigate long lists, i.e. “Down Arrow” moves by line, SHIFT+DOWN-Arrow moves by page, etc.

Along similar lines, you might provide for the pre-configuration of certain keys to allow nearly instantaneous vertical translations to a given height, e.g. CTL-SHIFT-F might take one as rapidly as possible to 512m.

As always, I look forward to the release of your product with great enthusiasm.

]]> By: Eileen http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/comment-page-1/#comment-58175 Eileen Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:43:42 +0000 http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/08/17/requesting-the-attention-of-aviators/#comment-58175 If the sound can be toggled on/off, or replaced, I would buy them. ( I have a cool Dragonfly sound somewhere, wait..........was it this map?) The wings look lovely and I could really use a slow smooth flight. If the sound can be toggled on/off, or replaced, I would buy them.
( I have a cool Dragonfly sound somewhere, wait……….was it this map?)
The wings look lovely and I could really use a slow smooth flight.

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