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	<title>Comments on: Vocation (and why it will not Take Over the Grid)</title>
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	<description>The experiences in Second Life of Ordinal Malaprop. Scripting, design, observations, notes.</description>
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		<title>By: An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; The Conclusion of Voices?</title>
		<link>http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/03/01/vocation/#comment-64778</link>
		<dc:creator>An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; The Conclusion of Voices?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I was recently considering the matter of Otherworldly Voices. There was an immense kerfuffle about the introduction of Voices to the Grid - admittedly, there is an immense kerfuffle about any introduction or removal of anything whatsoever, but in this case it was a kerfuffle promulgated by many Leading Thinkers and Commentators, and also myself. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I was recently considering the matter of Otherworldly Voices. There was an immense kerfuffle about the introduction of Voices to the Grid - admittedly, there is an immense kerfuffle about any introduction or removal of anything whatsoever, but in this case it was a kerfuffle promulgated by many Leading Thinkers and Commentators, and also myself. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; A Momentous Day (For Some)</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; A Momentous Day (For Some)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] views on the whole situation have not changed from the last time I pontificated regarding it, by the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; Leaves and Twigs</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Engine Fit For My Proceeding &#183; Leaves and Twigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] note, I am also working on a small sign to be held up at opportune moments when the arrival of Otherworldly Voices comes about - let us not forget that this is only a week or so [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sanctuary&#124;Online &#187; Voice coming to Second Life®.</title>
		<link>http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/03/01/vocation/#comment-8755</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanctuary&#124;Online &#187; Voice coming to Second Life®.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] within the next few months.  It&#8217;s been interesting to read some of the responses ([1], [2], [3]), and to note Erbo Evans&#8216; mention of how it might be useful for Sanctuary&#8217;s Bible [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] within the next few months.  It&#8217;s been interesting to read some of the responses ([1], [2], [3]), and to note Erbo Evans&#8216; mention of how it might be useful for Sanctuary&#8217;s Bible [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jaymin Carthage</title>
		<link>http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/03/01/vocation/#comment-8660</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaymin Carthage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My Esteemed Malaprop,

  It is very interesting I seems that many of the disadvantages you portray from this development, I see as advantages. Admittedly, my perspective is that of an employee of the East India Tea company! However truly 9 out of 10 meetings that I participate in during mhy working day (and there are many) are conducted almost exclusively via such means. And through this we are able to conduct such business to economicl subdue sub-continents (although we aren't an abusive monopoly like certin _other_ companies, cough). For those used to it, there is no awkwardness cumbersomeness or similar problems.
  Let me compare the two biggest meetings I have atteneded in Second Life. The first was a gathering of my religious denomintion. It was conducted solely through text. The long pauses as the minister addressed us were awkward, and typing in our affirmation of faith in "unison" was less than spiritual. There were about 40 people present.
  The second was a business meeting for my Tea Company. One hundred and forty of us were present (spread across the corners of 4 sims) and we used a feature very similar to that proposed to conduct the meeting. It was quite a lot more productive.

  To your point of a lack of a written record... this can actually be to advantage. One of the biggest limitations I face is using Second Life for more than entertainment is that it is not a secure medium. It is precisely because anyone (including Lord Linden) can record anything said, we cannot discuss any matters that should only be kept between two gentlemen. Whereas with this new feature, it is _possible_ for such dialog to be recorded, it is much less practical and many more subjects can be disucssed.
  I, myself, occasionally show a lack of restraint and, well, lets just say that I have had the obejctive to "show more judicious use of e-mail" in more than one annual review in the past decade. The advice on each time is to conduct such conversations in voice. One can then express oneself more freely without worries of being taken out of context or, if the heat of the moment gets to one, it is easier to apologize.

  Lastly I will speak to the "immersion" argument. Yes, there are those who come to Second Life for escapism and the chance to "be someone else". And, I think the points I have mostly seen expressed so far come from that viewpoint. And, certainly, I think they are quite valid from that viewpoint. However, if we are discussing taking over the grid we cannot omit the fact that the population of our dear land is growing by leaps and bounds. Those who have been there a long time are quickly becoming quite the minority. It is a mistake to assume that all of these new people will follow the path that the established people have followed.
  Like Ms. Calliope I have a personal fondness for the antiquated analogues of our second life, and even spend quality time with friends every Monday night with a similar paper and pencil game that has been around for nearly 20 years. I remember Usenet before September '93. So, in many of these past times I remain, in a past time, to my delight. However, I am aware that most of my breathern have upgraded to version 3.5, and many such modern contrivances. I do not make the mistake of assuming the world is painted in colors I like.

  So, overall, I believe this new development will become quite common. I think it will be another dividing line between those of the world that was, and those of the world that is becoming.

    Respectfully,
         JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Esteemed Malaprop,</p>
<p>  It is very interesting I seems that many of the disadvantages you portray from this development, I see as advantages. Admittedly, my perspective is that of an employee of the East India Tea company! However truly 9 out of 10 meetings that I participate in during mhy working day (and there are many) are conducted almost exclusively via such means. And through this we are able to conduct such business to economicl subdue sub-continents (although we aren&#8217;t an abusive monopoly like certin _other_ companies, cough). For those used to it, there is no awkwardness cumbersomeness or similar problems.<br />
  Let me compare the two biggest meetings I have atteneded in Second Life. The first was a gathering of my religious denomintion. It was conducted solely through text. The long pauses as the minister addressed us were awkward, and typing in our affirmation of faith in &#8220;unison&#8221; was less than spiritual. There were about 40 people present.<br />
  The second was a business meeting for my Tea Company. One hundred and forty of us were present (spread across the corners of 4 sims) and we used a feature very similar to that proposed to conduct the meeting. It was quite a lot more productive.</p>
<p>  To your point of a lack of a written record&#8230; this can actually be to advantage. One of the biggest limitations I face is using Second Life for more than entertainment is that it is not a secure medium. It is precisely because anyone (including Lord Linden) can record anything said, we cannot discuss any matters that should only be kept between two gentlemen. Whereas with this new feature, it is _possible_ for such dialog to be recorded, it is much less practical and many more subjects can be disucssed.<br />
  I, myself, occasionally show a lack of restraint and, well, lets just say that I have had the obejctive to &#8220;show more judicious use of e-mail&#8221; in more than one annual review in the past decade. The advice on each time is to conduct such conversations in voice. One can then express oneself more freely without worries of being taken out of context or, if the heat of the moment gets to one, it is easier to apologize.</p>
<p>  Lastly I will speak to the &#8220;immersion&#8221; argument. Yes, there are those who come to Second Life for escapism and the chance to &#8220;be someone else&#8221;. And, I think the points I have mostly seen expressed so far come from that viewpoint. And, certainly, I think they are quite valid from that viewpoint. However, if we are discussing taking over the grid we cannot omit the fact that the population of our dear land is growing by leaps and bounds. Those who have been there a long time are quickly becoming quite the minority. It is a mistake to assume that all of these new people will follow the path that the established people have followed.<br />
  Like Ms. Calliope I have a personal fondness for the antiquated analogues of our second life, and even spend quality time with friends every Monday night with a similar paper and pencil game that has been around for nearly 20 years. I remember Usenet before September &#8216;93. So, in many of these past times I remain, in a past time, to my delight. However, I am aware that most of my breathern have upgraded to version 3.5, and many such modern contrivances. I do not make the mistake of assuming the world is painted in colors I like.</p>
<p>  So, overall, I believe this new development will become quite common. I think it will be another dividing line between those of the world that was, and those of the world that is becoming.</p>
<p>    Respectfully,<br />
         JC</p>
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		<title>By: Merry Calliope</title>
		<link>http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/03/01/vocation/#comment-8624</link>
		<dc:creator>Merry Calliope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 05:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect the voice 'feature' will not be put into use as much as people are guessing. Aside from a...er...'value added' feature for the Grid's...*ahem*...courtesan residents and perhaps other one-on-one situations I can't imagine how it could integrate gracefully.

Admittedly though, I 'grew up' in the Stone Age of mucks, mushes, muds and moos and have a certain affection for text-based chat that the younger generation may not share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect the voice &#8216;feature&#8217; will not be put into use as much as people are guessing. Aside from a&#8230;er&#8230;&#8217;value added&#8217; feature for the Grid&#8217;s&#8230;*ahem*&#8230;courtesan residents and perhaps other one-on-one situations I can&#8217;t imagine how it could integrate gracefully.</p>
<p>Admittedly though, I &#8216;grew up&#8217; in the Stone Age of mucks, mushes, muds and moos and have a certain affection for text-based chat that the younger generation may not share.</p>
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		<title>By: A Manner of Speaking &#171; Evans Avenue Exit</title>
		<link>http://ordinalmalaprop.com/engine/2007/03/01/vocation/#comment-8578</link>
		<dc:creator>A Manner of Speaking &#171; Evans Avenue Exit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] too much from an immersive experience? The upstanding inventrix, Ms. Ordinal Malaprop, has neatly summarized many of the objections to built-in voice, such [...]</description>
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